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New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - mike3 - 04/20/2010 Hi. I was playing around with this new tetration method based on the continuum sum. The idea is to use the exp-series mentioned here: http://math.eretrandre.org/tetrationforum/showthread.php?tid=396 We have or, even better Then, with the term at However, when viewed in the complex plane, we see that exp-series are just Fourier series which represent a periodic function with period Thus it would seem that only periodic functions can be continuum-summed this way. Tetration is not periodic, so how could this help? Well, we could consider the possibility of continuum-summing an aperiodic function by taking a limit of a sequence of periodic functions that converge to it. The hypothesis I have is that if Would you have any ideas to prove or refute this hypothesis? An example. Let Though I didn't bother to try to work it out by hand, instead using a computer math package, the limit is Another example is the function Trying it with Thus it seems this continuum sum is recovering all the expected sums and extensions. So the question comes up: what happens if we use it on Tetration, to sum up Ansus' continuum sum formula ? I don't yet have a really fast and efficient numerical program ready to go, but the idea behind the algorithm I'm using and the current code I can post in the Computation forum if you'd like. Trying it out, though, it seems to converge well. I can't get a lot of precision due to the amount of nodes required, but enough to make graphs and simple observations of the behavior is available. For tetration If we try it now at the natural base, base which looks equivalent to the result from the Cauchy integral. Toward Graph of Graph of Complex Bases The most exciting thing about this method is that it even can be used on complex bases outside the Shell-Thron convergent region. For example, I tried it on the base Apparently the period-4 behavior is only in the integer tetrations. The continuous tetrational function is instead unbounded on the positive real axis The graph at the imaginary axis looks like this (i.e. showing the decay to the fixed points of the logarithm for this base. One interesting mathematical question raised by this is that it seems to go fine right across Another interesting question is why does it appear so many seemingly disparate methods keep turning up this same function, despite the existence of infinitely many solutions to the basic tetration functional equation? Could it be that there is some "natural" uniqueness condition that all these methods happen to be compatible with? RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - bo198214 - 04/20/2010 (04/20/2010, 02:48 AM)mike3 Wrote: Really really interesting. Quote:with the term at This is not completely true. The regular tetration in the base range where So it is If I consider Kneser's approach for Kneser's approach also starts with the regular iteration at a complex fixed point. Lets call the corresponding superfunction This is not periodic, nonetheless we can expand it similar to a periodic function. The last factor is a 1-periodic function: If we insert this into our previous equation: So we have a double exponential series instead of a single series, but nevertheless you again can apply your exponential summation. Though I in the moment have not the time to carry it out myself (so either you do it or I do it later). RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - tommy1729 - 04/20/2010 (04/20/2010, 02:48 AM)mike3 Wrote: Hi. but you dont have the coefficients of ansus tet_b , so no taylor series ? and tet_b is not periodic either ? yes plz explain how you compute it ! regards tommy1729 RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - tommy1729 - 04/20/2010 somewhat off topic but i was thinking about : for some 'suitable' positive real z : suppose we find a relation (function) between b0 and b1 ( function from b0 to b1 ) that holds for b0 , b1 < eta but could be extended (coo [apart from some poles perhaps (at e.g. eta ) ] ) to b0 or b1 > eta then Ansus and mike might have a better prospect with their equations... regards tommy1729 RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - tommy1729 - 04/20/2010 (04/20/2010, 07:45 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: however note that the function mapping b0 to b1 will 'turn' from mapping b1 to b0. so potential usefullness is only in the interval base [eta,'turning point'] ( hoping turning point > eta , but recall we get to choose parameter z ! ) to visualize , consider f = x^2 and map f(-x) onto f(x) and then it will " turn " at ' turning point 0 ' and do the opposite ; 'f(-x) to f(x)' as x grows from -oo to + oo. let the function mapping real b0 to real b1 be called m. the reason for this turning is intuitive , if b0 < m(b0) and log(b0) = 1 then b0 + epsilon > m(b0 + epison) because log(b0 + epsilon) > 1 and the equation note that this gives the upper bound of (b0 or b1) = e. if im not mistaken ... i know i know ... this isnt formal. ( UFO gottfried ? :p ) regards tommy1729 RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - mike3 - 04/20/2010 (04/20/2010, 10:40 AM)bo198214 Wrote: This is not completely true. The regular tetration in the base range This is true, but currently it is only a hypothesis, not a proven theorem, that the regular iteration satisfies the continuum sum equation. Though numerically it looks good. But if one could find an explicit form (either as a closed form or a series with explicit terms or something) for the coefficients in its exp/Fourier expansion, we could take its (canonical) continuum sum and perh. that could help in the finding of the proof if this hypothesis is really right or not. RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - bo198214 - 04/21/2010 (04/20/2010, 09:50 PM)Ansus Wrote: Do I understand correctly, this quantity Yes, as I wrote For the detailed derivation see/google "Portrait of the four super-exponentials to base sqrt(2)" or the non-finished overview article. RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - mike3 - 04/22/2010 (04/20/2010, 10:40 AM)bo198214 Wrote: Eh. I'm not sure if this method is going to work. Take what happens when Yet it seems we can continuum-sum the tetrational regardless, by using the periodic-approximation method.) What's going on here? (And as an aside, what did you think of the graph of the tetration of a complex base outside the Shell-Thron Region?) RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - bo198214 - 04/22/2010 (04/22/2010, 10:20 AM)mike3 Wrote: I'm not sure if this method is going to work. Take what happens when Oh thats my fault! I was too sloppy with the case RE: New tetration method based on continuum sum and exp-series - mike3 - 04/22/2010 (04/22/2010, 10:35 AM)bo198214 Wrote:(04/22/2010, 10:20 AM)mike3 Wrote: I'm not sure if this method is going to work. Take what happens when Ah! Now we can take the continuum sum! ![]() Also, what about my question about the graph? ![]() |