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Alternative manners of expressing Kneser
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So, I've been fiddling with Kneser's tetration, and I have been trying to think of different ways to express it. Let's write for Kneser's tetration. Now depending on how it grows as we have different manners of expressing it. But there is one way I can say for sure.


Let's take which maps the upper half plane of to the upper left quadrant of . As in the upper left quadrant so long as we stay away from the real line. This implies the function and this function satisfies as in . And from this the Mellin transform is a viable option.

Therefore, if we write,



Then, for ,



Or if you prefer, for and ,



This form gives us a way of representing Kneser's tetration using only the data points . What I would really like to know is how fast Kneser's tetration grows as in the complex plane and how fast grows as . Which would translate, how close does Kneser's tetration get to zero (which it must), and how fast does it do so. Ideally, I wonder if we can weaken this with a less intrusive function than . The best option being, simply using the data points to express tetration in the upper-half plane. This would require a careful analysis though.

I believe this may be helpful, as we'd only have to approximate which for large should look something like,



Which has fairly fast convergence. It may also make sense to take a double sequence where and each generates an exponential-like function which is Mellin Transformable as well. Think of using the partial sums of an exponential series which approximates as in the upper left half quadrant; which will Mellin-transformable as well.

Anywho, I'll let you guys know if I can think of a better kind of representation up this alley.

Regards, James

EDIT:

For instance, if we write,



For a one-periodic function and the inverse Schroder function at a fixed point of . Then,



If we truncate this series, then,



Then calling and as in this half plane . So if we define,



And we define,



Then, for ,



Whereupon,



And for large values of we may be able to uncover an asymptotic relationship that is easier to derive than bruteforcing using a Riemann Mapping theorem.

EDIT2:

As I remember people aren't so used to the mellin transform/fractional calculus approach as I am, this also generates a uniqueness condition. Let be the function such that , and assume there exists a function,



Such that,



Then necessarily and . We can also derive a uniqueness condition by ignoring the data points and requiring only that be bounded exponentially (as in the above), tends to the same fixed point, satisfies , and only requiring that for some sequence . Though this is a tad more complicated to derive.

EDIT3:

All in all, these transformations are intended as methods of understanding tetration through equations of the form,



For . And summing over with coefficients in an effort to approximating with . Whereby Kneser's solution, we know such sequences exist.
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Alternative manners of expressing Kneser - by JmsNxn - 03/18/2021, 02:27 PM

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