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 Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function) sheldonison Long Time Fellow Posts: 641 Threads: 22 Joined: Oct 2008 08/17/2009, 04:01 PM (This post was last modified: 08/17/2009, 04:29 PM by sheldonison.) (08/17/2009, 12:07 PM)jaydfox Wrote: (08/17/2009, 08:50 AM)bo198214 Wrote: However did we silently switch from base change $\eta\to e$ ($b=\eta,a=e$) to the base change $e\to\eta$ ($b=e,a=\eta$)? I think we are more interested in the first one!Well, they are both important, as singularities in either will be an issue, but I suppose that the change from base eta back to base e should be my more immediate concern. In theory, most of the principles should be the same. The trivial singularities would be at all branched locations of log^[n-2](1) instead of of log^[n-2](-1), if I'm thinking this through correctly (which I might not be, it's 4 AM here and I just got up to give someone a lift to the airport).My next question is, how large does k have to get before we encounter singularities? After a very hectic week at work, I'm having an equally hectic time out of town on vacation, and perhaps missed out on a lot of the fun. And still, I don't have time to do this problem proper diligence. Jay, you confused me converting between base e to eta, instead of eta to e. I agree that the principles are the same, and the singularities seem to be fatal. Also, base eta can be represented as iterated exp(z-1), which is another potential source of confusion. I wanted to step back to the base conversion equation, in the strip where $\text{sexp_\eta(x)$ varies from 4.38 to 5.02, which would correspond more or less to sexp_e=0 to 1. The hope was to extend such a strip to the complex plane. I wanted to share a few observations about the singularities in this strip, where z = $\text{slog_\eta(5.02)$. Here f(z)=1, which corresponds to sexp_e(0). $f(z) = \lim_{k \to \infty} \log_e^{\circ k} \text{sexp_\eta}(z+k))$ As a simplification, we look at this equation, between z=4.38 and z=5.02 $f(z) = \lim_{k \to \infty} \log_e^{\circ k} \left( \exp_\eta^{\circ k} (z) \right)$ I was interested in how large k had to get before we encounter singularities. In this scenario, we first need to find the smallest value of k such that f(z)=e. and ln(ln(ln(e)))=singularity. In this strip, does f(z) for k<=4 reach a value of exactly e or exactly 1? I found some singularities for k=5. I'm enjoying all the posts; you guys seem to be close to showing the base conversion equation has zero radius of convergence. I don't have enought time while on vacation though..... - Shel « Next Oldest | Next Newest »

 Messages In This Thread Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function) - by bo198214 - 08/12/2009, 08:59 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function) - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 12:54 AM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 05:00 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by bo198214 - 08/15/2009, 05:36 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 06:40 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 07:13 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by bo198214 - 08/15/2009, 09:44 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 10:40 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 10:46 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 11:02 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/15/2009, 11:20 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by bo198214 - 08/16/2009, 11:15 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/16/2009, 11:38 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by bo198214 - 08/17/2009, 08:50 AM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/17/2009, 12:07 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by sheldonison - 08/17/2009, 04:01 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by bo198214 - 08/17/2009, 04:30 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/17/2009, 05:26 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by sheldonison - 08/18/2009, 04:37 AM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function - by jaydfox - 08/17/2009, 05:47 PM RE: Real and complex behaviour of the base change function (was: The "cheta" function) - by bo198214 - 08/17/2009, 02:40 PM base change with decremented exponential - by bo198214 - 08/18/2009, 08:47 AM singularities of base change eta -> e - by bo198214 - 08/18/2009, 06:51 PM RE: singularities of base change eta -> e - by bo198214 - 08/20/2009, 10:28 AM RE: Does the limit converge in the complex plane? - by sheldonison - 08/13/2009, 12:49 AM RE: Does the limit converge in the complex plane? - by bo198214 - 08/13/2009, 07:17 AM RE: Does the limit converge in the complex plane? - by sheldonison - 08/13/2011, 10:32 AM RE: Does the limit converge in the complex plane? - by bo198214 - 08/13/2011, 06:33 PM RE: Does the limit converge in the complex plane? - by sheldonison - 08/13/2009, 06:48 PM

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