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using sinh(x) ?
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I was wondering about the following conjectured uniqueness criterion for real-analytic half iterates ( easily generalized to all iterates btw) :

(based upon my sinh method)

for all real x:

(D is the derivative operator)

D exp^[1/2](x) > 0

D^2 exp^[1/2](x) > 0

exp^[1/2](x) - ln(ln(2sinh^[1/2](exp(exp(x))))) > 0.

It seems intuitive , especially considering how the sinh method works.

However tetration is sometimes (or often) counterintuitive.

A stronger conjecture would be :

D exp^[1/2](x) > 0

D^2 exp^[1/2](x) > 0

ln(ln(2cosh^[1/2](exp(exp(x))))) > exp^[1/2](x) > ln(ln(2sinh^[1/2](exp(exp(x)))))

Although this requires some concept of cosh^[1/2].
( I once considered a method based upon cosh but made a mistake )

Im not even sure about the uniqueness of these uniqueness criterions.
For instance how this might be related to D^n exp^[1/2](x) > 0 for integer n with n>1 and/or curvature and/or length conditions.

Intuitively it seems like f(x) = exp^[1/2](x) computed by the sinh method gives the shortest path/length between f(a) and f(b) for sufficiently large real a and b but im not even sure if that is a selfconsistant statement for ANY exp^[1/2](x).

Also clearly shortest length and smallest curvature relate alot.

Recently I posted a new thread that involved the point
w := f ' (w) = 1
which might relate to uniqueness.

Clearly there is still work.
And I must admit its not all clear to me yet.

Tetration is calculus on drugs Smile

regards

tommy1729
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using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 02/28/2010, 12:22 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/06/2010, 12:35 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by bo198214 - 03/07/2010, 11:19 AM
using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 03/09/2010, 01:31 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by bo198214 - 03/10/2010, 11:38 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 03/11/2010, 12:50 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 03/14/2010, 01:07 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by sheldonison - 06/02/2010, 04:47 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 06/02/2010, 10:13 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by sheldonison - 06/02/2010, 10:56 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 06/07/2010, 12:34 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by sheldonison - 06/08/2010, 01:59 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 06/09/2010, 12:18 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by mike3 - 06/11/2010, 02:23 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by bo198214 - 06/12/2010, 04:36 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by mike3 - 06/12/2010, 11:14 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 06/21/2010, 09:14 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by sheldonison - 06/23/2010, 06:06 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 06/23/2010, 09:11 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by tommy1729 - 06/23/2010, 09:31 PM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by bo198214 - 06/27/2010, 09:16 AM
RE: using 2* sinh(x) ! - by sheldonison - 06/04/2010, 04:48 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 04/24/2010, 11:47 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by bo198214 - 05/31/2010, 05:52 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 06/01/2010, 10:58 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by bo198214 - 06/02/2010, 02:58 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 06/22/2010, 11:18 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 06/23/2010, 10:44 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 06/24/2010, 12:29 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 06/24/2010, 07:22 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by bo198214 - 06/26/2010, 12:04 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 06/26/2010, 09:19 PM
attracting fixed point of 2sinh - by sheldonison - 06/27/2010, 03:31 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/18/2010, 10:41 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 07/19/2010, 09:37 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/20/2010, 08:24 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/19/2010, 10:20 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 07/20/2010, 03:13 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/20/2010, 08:31 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 07/21/2010, 03:19 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/21/2010, 10:34 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 07/22/2010, 12:23 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/28/2010, 02:24 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/28/2010, 02:53 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/04/2010, 11:09 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/08/2010, 02:31 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 01/17/2011, 07:43 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 01/17/2011, 11:36 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/02/2011, 10:32 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/04/2011, 10:56 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 07/05/2011, 01:09 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 07/05/2011, 12:06 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/18/2012, 11:41 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 11/20/2012, 12:01 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/20/2012, 10:53 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 11/20/2012, 11:01 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/20/2012, 11:32 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 11/20/2012, 11:46 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/28/2012, 06:59 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/28/2012, 08:07 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/17/2012, 04:34 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 02/10/2015, 12:02 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 04/22/2015, 12:27 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 04/23/2015, 04:49 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 10/26/2015, 12:56 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/26/2015, 11:56 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 11/27/2015, 03:41 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 11/28/2015, 01:21 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 11/29/2015, 03:03 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/01/2015, 01:22 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 12/01/2015, 02:58 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/02/2015, 12:04 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/01/2015, 08:18 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 12/02/2015, 12:28 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 02/23/2016, 10:36 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 02/24/2016, 01:27 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/01/2016, 10:38 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/05/2016, 01:27 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/05/2016, 11:38 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by sheldonison - 03/06/2016, 03:16 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/06/2016, 10:54 PM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/07/2016, 01:48 AM
RE: using sinh(x) ? - by tommy1729 - 03/07/2016, 10:46 AM
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