 the logical hierarchy - Printable Version +- Tetration Forum (https://math.eretrandre.org/tetrationforum) +-- Forum: Tetration and Related Topics (https://math.eretrandre.org/tetrationforum/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Mathematical and General Discussion (https://math.eretrandre.org/tetrationforum/forumdisplay.php?fid=3) +--- Thread: the logical hierarchy (/showthread.php?tid=231) the logical hierarchy - tommy1729 - 02/08/2009 here i present what is according to me the " logical hierarchy " i found it important to say , because it appears often on math forums and is usually stated or ordered in a way i disagree with. no tetration or non-commutativity. no ' popularized ' ackermann or buck. but plain good old logic in my humble opinion. most imporant is the existance of a single neutral element f_n ( a , neutral ) = f_n ( neutral , a ) = a for all a ! 1) a + b 2) a * b 3) a ^ log(b) to see how i arrived at 3 : a ^ log(b) = b ^ log(a) = exp( log(a) * log(b) ) 4) exp ( log(a) ^ log(log(b)) ) to see how i arrived at 4 : note that 3) is used upon log(a) and log(b). etc etc note that the neutral elements are 1) addition -> 0 2) multiplication -> 1 3) a ^ log(b) -> e 4) -> e^e 5) -> e^e^e 6) -> e^e^e^e etc RE: the logical hierarchy - bo198214 - 02/08/2009 Ya this hierarchy was already considered. The main observation is that the real numbers with operations and are isomorphic to the positive real numbers with and (The isomorphism is ). I.e. we dont add really something new. Each two consecutive operations are isomorphic (i.e. behave completely the same as) to + and *. RE: the logical hierarchy - tommy1729 - 02/08/2009 bo198214 Wrote:Ya this hierarchy was already considered. The main observation is that the real numbers with operations and are isomorphic to the positive real numbers with and (The isomorphism is ). I.e. we dont add really something new. Each two consecutive operations are isomorphic (i.e. behave completely the same as) to + and *. right. but some people always insist on a + b a * b a ^ b which is wrong. glad we agree. thread closed ? regards tommy1729 RE: the logical hierarchy - bo198214 - 02/08/2009 tommy1729 Wrote:but some people always insist on a + b a * b a ^ b which is wrong. Its not wrong its a different hierarchy. It follows the pattern: a[n+1](b+1)=a[n](a[n+1]b) where [n] is the the nth operation. For example: a(b+1)=a(ab) which corresponds to a*(b+1)=a+a*b a(b+1)=a(ab) which corresponds to a^(b+1)=a*(a^b) and so tetration  satisfies: a(b+1)=a(ab)