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 Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... Gottfried Ultimate Fellow Posts: 764 Threads: 118 Joined: Aug 2007 10/19/2017, 09:33 PM (This post was last modified: 10/23/2017, 11:56 PM by Gottfried.) (10/19/2017, 04:50 PM)sheldonison Wrote: (10/19/2017, 10:38 AM)Gottfried Wrote: ... 1) The Carleman-matrix is always based on the power series of a function f(x) and more specifically of a function g(x+t_0)-t_0 where t_0 is the attracting fixpoint for the function f(x). For that option the Carleman-matrix-based and the serial summation approach evaluate to the same value.              2) But for the other direction of the iteration series, with iterates of the inverse function f^[-1] () we need the Carleman matrix developed at that fixpoint t_1 which is attracting for f^[-1](x) ... So with the correct adapation of the required two Carleman-matrices and their Neumann-series we reproduce correctly the iteration-series in question in both directions.          Gottfried Is there a connection between the Carlemann-matrix and the Schröder's equation, $\Psi(z)\;\;\;\Psi(f(z))=\lambda\cdot\Psi(z)$?  Here lambda is the derivative at the fixed point; $\lambda=f'(t_0)$, and then the iterated function g(x+1)= f(g(x)) can be generated from the inverse Schröder's equation:  $g(z)=t_0+\Psi^{-1}(\lambda^z)$ Does the solution to the Carlemann Matrix give you the power series for $\Psi^{-1}$? I would like a Matrix solution for the Schröder's equation.  I have a pari-gp program for the formal power series for both $\Psi,\;\;\Psi^{-1}$, iterating using Pari-gp's polynomials, but a Matrix solution would be easier to port over to a more accessible programming language and I thought maybe your Carlemann solution might be what I'm looking for  Hi Sheldon - yes that connection is exceptionally simple. The Schröder-function is simply expressed by the eigenvector-matrices which occur by diagonalization of the Carleman-matrix for function f(x).                       In my notation,  with a Carlemanmatrix F for your function f(x) we have with a vector V(x) = [1,x,x^2,x^3,...]  $V(x) * F = V( f(x) )$ Then by diagonalization we find a solution in M and D such that $F = M * D * M^{-1}$ The software must take care, that the eigenvectors in M are correctly scaled, for instance in the triangular case, (where f(x) has no constant term) the diagonal in M is the diagonal unit matrix I  such that indeed M is in the Carleman-form.   (Using M=mateigen(F)  in Pari/GP does not suffice, you must scale the columns in M appropriately - I've built my own eigen-solver for triangular matrices which I can provide to you).                    Then we have $V(x) * F = V(x) * M * D * M^{-1} \\ = V(\Psi(x)) * D * M^{-1} \\ = V(\Psi (x)) * ^dV(\lambda) * M^{-1} \\ = V(\Psi (x) * \lambda) * M^{-1} \\ = V(\Psi^{-1} ( \lambda *\Psi (x)))\\$               We need here only to take attention for the problem, that non-triangular Carlemanmatrices of finite size - as they are only available to our software packages - give not the correct eigenvectors for the true power series of f(x). To learn about this it is best to use functions which have triangular Carleman-matrices, so for instance $f(x)=ax+b$  $f(x) = qx/(1+qx)$ or  $f(x) = t^x-1$ or the like where also the coefficient at the linear term is not zero and not 1.                For the non-triangular matrices, for instance for $f(x)=b^x$ the diagonalization gives only rough approximations to an -in some sense- "best-possible" solution for fractional iterations and its eigenvector-matrices are in general not Carleman or truncated Carleman. But they give nonetheless real-to-real solutions also for $b > \eta$ and seem to approximate the Kneser-solution when the size of the matrices increase.     You can have my Pari/GP-toolbox for the adequate handling of that type of matrices and especially for calculating the diagonalization for $t^x-1$ such that the eigenvectormatrices are of Carleman-type and true truncations of the \psi-powerseries for the Schröder-function (for which the builtin-eigensolver in Pari/GP does not take care). If you are interested it is perhaps better to contact me via email because the set of routines should have also some explanations with them and I expect some need for diadactical hints.
For a "preview" of that toolbox see perhaps page 21 ff in http://go.helms-net.de/math/tetdocs/Cont...ration.pdf which discusses the diagonalization for $t^x -1$ with its schroeder-function (and the "matrix-logarithm" method for the $e^x - 1$ and $\sin(x)$ functions which have no diagonalization in the case of finite size). Gottfried Helms, Kassel « Next Oldest | Next Newest »

 Messages In This Thread Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 03/02/2009, 02:50 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 03/02/2009, 04:48 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by bo198214 - 03/02/2009, 04:50 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by tommy1729 - 03/02/2009, 08:48 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 03/03/2009, 12:52 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 03/03/2009, 07:45 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 03/03/2009, 12:15 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by tommy1729 - 06/05/2011, 01:45 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 06/05/2011, 05:17 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by tommy1729 - 06/02/2011, 08:36 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 06/04/2011, 10:01 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 06/04/2011, 01:13 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by tommy1729 - 06/04/2011, 09:43 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 06/05/2011, 10:50 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 06/05/2011, 11:40 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by tommy1729 - 06/06/2011, 11:01 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 06/06/2011, 12:47 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 10/19/2017, 10:38 AM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by sheldonison - 10/19/2017, 04:50 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 10/19/2017, 09:33 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by sheldonison - 10/20/2017, 06:00 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 10/20/2017, 07:55 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by sheldonison - 10/20/2017, 08:19 PM RE: Iteration exercises: f(x)=x^2 - 0.5 ; Fixpoint-irritation... - by Gottfried - 10/20/2017, 08:32 PM

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