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 2 real fixpoints ... 3 iterations ? tommy1729 Ultimate Fellow Posts: 1,358 Threads: 330 Joined: Feb 2009 08/08/2009, 11:31 PM ok , first i dont know if this has been asked or answered before , so forgive my ignorance if such is the case. consider an analytic function f(z) , strictly rising on the reals with 2 real fixpoints. now we can use regular iteration for each fixpoint and thus get two ' zones ' that are ' correct ' half-iterates. ( assuming radius = oo too ) sketch : [ - oo .. zone 1 .. fixpoint 1 .. zone 2 .. fixpoint 2 .. zone 3 .. + oo ] when expanded at fixpoint 1 and missing the fixpoint 2 ( and radius oo ) i consider that regular half-iterate as a correct solution to 'zone 1' similarly : when expanded at fixpoint 2 and missing the fixpoint 1 ( and radius oo ) i consider that regular half-iterate as a correct solution to 'zone 3' So the question becomes , what gives zone 2 ? Regards Tommy1729 bo198214 Administrator Posts: 1,386 Threads: 90 Joined: Aug 2007 08/09/2009, 12:27 AM (08/08/2009, 11:31 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: now we can use regular iteration for each fixpoint and thus get two ' zones ' that are ' correct ' half-iterates. ( assuming radius = oo too ) sketch : [ - oo .. zone 1 .. fixpoint 1 .. zone 2 .. fixpoint 2 .. zone 3 .. + oo ] regular iteration at fp 1 is valid at zone 1&2 and regular iteration at fp 2 is valid at zone 2&3. tommy1729 Ultimate Fellow Posts: 1,358 Threads: 330 Joined: Feb 2009 08/10/2009, 11:03 PM (08/09/2009, 12:27 AM)bo198214 Wrote: (08/08/2009, 11:31 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: now we can use regular iteration for each fixpoint and thus get two ' zones ' that are ' correct ' half-iterates. ( assuming radius = oo too ) sketch : [ - oo .. zone 1 .. fixpoint 1 .. zone 2 .. fixpoint 2 .. zone 3 .. + oo ] regular iteration at fp 1 is valid at zone 1&2 and regular iteration at fp 2 is valid at zone 2&3. no , you assume regular iteration at fp1 touches fp 2 , what if it doesnt ? jaydfox Long Time Fellow Posts: 440 Threads: 31 Joined: Aug 2007 08/10/2009, 11:20 PM (08/10/2009, 11:03 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: (08/09/2009, 12:27 AM)bo198214 Wrote: regular iteration at fp 1 is valid at zone 1&2 and regular iteration at fp 2 is valid at zone 2&3. no , you assume regular iteration at fp1 touches fp 2 , what if it doesnt ?But wouldn't that necessitate another fixed point between fp1 and fp2? Why else would regular iteration from fp1 not reach fp2? By your original stipulation, the function is strictly increasing (except, of course, at the fixed points). If it does not get from fp1 to fp2, there must be some point (which we can find by taking the limit of infinite iterations) which is a fixed point. ~ Jay Daniel Fox bo198214 Administrator Posts: 1,386 Threads: 90 Joined: Aug 2007 08/10/2009, 11:45 PM (08/10/2009, 11:20 PM)jaydfox Wrote: (08/10/2009, 11:03 PM)tommy1729 Wrote: no , you assume regular iteration at fp1 touches fp 2 , what if it doesnt ?But wouldn't that necessitate another fixed point between fp1 and fp2? Why else would regular iteration from fp1 not reach fp2? By your original stipulation, the function is strictly increasing (except, of course, at the fixed points). If it does not get from fp1 to fp2, there must be some point (which we can find by taking the limit of infinite iterations) which is a fixed point. Exactly. « Next Oldest | Next Newest »

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